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‘Mexican Thing’ Among Debate’s Grating Moments

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Indiana Gov. Mike Pence, left, moderator Elaine Quilano and Sen. Tim Kaine, D-Va., drew 37.16 million total viewers across nine networks for their vice presidential debate Tuesday.
Indiana Gov. Mike Pence, left, moderator Elaine Quijano and Sen. Tim Kaine, D-Va., drew 37.16 million viewers across nine networks for their vice presidential debate Tuesday.

‘Mexican Thing’ Among Debate’s Grating Moments

Pundits and pollsters declared Republican Mike Pence the winner of Tuesday’s vice presidential debate, but that doesn’t mean that like his running mate, Donald J. Trump, Pence didn’t manage to offend many African Americans, Hispanics and Asian Americans.

The debate, the first to be moderated by an Asian American, Elaine Quijano of CBS News, a Filipina-American, drew 37.16 million total viewers across nine networks, the smallest for a vice presidential debate since  2000, according to early Nielsen data, but bigger than the audience for this year’s Academy Awards.

In post-debate commentary, the Indiana governor was declared the winner on style rather than substance.

Commentators conceded that Sen. Tim Kaine, D-Va., didn’t tell the whoppers that Pence did, but the Democrat lost points by interrupting the governor 70 times, according to a count by Ryan Struyk of ABC News.

The 90-minute debate was wide-ranging, with Quijano announcing at the outset that she intended to cover domestic and foreign policy issues in nine different segments of 10 minutes each. She was criticized by some pundits for losing control at times or for being too eager to get through her list of questions rather than let the candidates play out their arguments. Others, however, praised Quijano’s judgment and ability to “keep it moving.”

Responses that particularly pushed buttons of some African Americans, Latinos and Asian Americans concerned police-involved shootings, a Pence comment about “that Mexican thing” and the Indiana governor’s efforts to combat terrorism through the immigration system.

Pence pointed to an endorsement of Trump by “the 330,000 members of the Fraternal Order of Police” because, Pence said, “they see his commitment to law and order. But they also — they also hear the bad mouthing, the bad mouthing that comes from people that seize upon tragedy in the wake of police action shootings as a reason to use a broad brush to accuse law enforcement of implicit bias or institutional racism and that really has got to stop. . . .”

Kaine replied, “I guess I can’t believe you are defending the position that there is no bias . . .”

Pence countered, “I did not make that statement” but went on to praise “stop and frisk” programs that a federal judge ruled in 2013 were carried out in a manner that violated the U.S. Constitution.

While touting the FOP endorsement, Pence did not say that black and Latino members denounced the national union’s action. “Our Local is saying that they have to follow the lead,” Rochelle Bilal, head of the Philadelphia Guardian Civic League, told the Philadelphia Tribune last month. “We are saying that you don’t — that when you know that you got Black, brown and other members of this organization, if you don’t care about supporting an outrageous bigot, then you need to find a way to give us our money back from our membership.”

In the same city, Eddie López Sr., the president of the Spanish American Law Enforcement Association made clear, “S.A.L.E.A. does not support Trump,” Sabrina Vourvoulias reported Sept. 22 for Philadelphia magazine,

Meanwhile, Latino scholars and activists criticized Pence for referring to ‘that Mexican thing’ as he tried to brush aside criticism of Trump’s comments about Mexican immigrants, Russell Contreras and Amy Taxin reported Wednesday for the Associated Press.

“They said Pence’s remark was dehumanizing and tinged with sexual innuendo.

“Pence’s comment came after Democratic vice presidential Tim Kaine pressed the Republican on Trump’s remarks last year comparing Mexican immigrants to rapists.

” ‘Senator, you whipped out that Mexican thing again,’ Pence said.

“By Wednesday, #ThatMexicanThing was trending on Twitter as Latinos widely made fun of the remark with memes, gifs, and satirical versions of Trump’s ‘Make America Great Again’ red cap. . . .”


The reporters quoted Rep. Xavier Becerra, D-Calif.: “As the son of immigrants, I’ve lived with the ‘Mexican thing’ all my life. “I never would have believed that into my 50s I would witness a candidate for president and vice president mainstreaming the same hurtful rhetoric.”

Pence’s “Mexican thing” comment came in reaction to Kaine quoting Trump saying Mexicans are rapists and criminals.

“Can you defend it?” Kaine asked.

Pence replied, “There are criminal aliens in this country, Tim, who have come into this country who are perpetrating violence and taking American lives. And he [Trump] also said: ‘and many of them are good people.’ You keep leaving that out of your quote. . . .”

Latino Rebels, in a Wednesday posting, wasn’t having it. “It is really important to look at all of Trump’s quote and not just focus solely on Pence insisting that Trump said that Mexicans are good people,” the blog writers said. “(For the record, Pence forgot to add the ‘I assume’ words by Trump, which have always suggested that the Republican presidential candidate never really believed that Mexicans are good people.)

“The Trump campaign has always based its campaign on the falsity of a chaotic border and invading Mexicans, and by setting up that fear, he then connected it to terrorism and crime: ‘It’s coming from more than Mexico. It’s coming from all over South and Latin America, and it’s coming probably — probably — from the Middle East.’ This has been the Trump Doctrine for everything else in his presidential run, and Pence will want us to believe that the whipping out of ‘that Mexican thing’ is a non-issue. . . .

“What Trump said last June was based on racism, xenophobia and unfounded fear. ‘That Mexican thing’ that Pence shrugged off last night will very likely be the end of a Trump-Pence 2016 ticket just like ‘self-deportation’ was for Mitt Romney in 2012. The Republican Party just doesn’t get it and it looks like it never will.”

Immigration was linked with terrorism in another portion of the debate. Pence defended his decision to block aid to Syrian refugees resettling in Indiana, an action an appellate court ruled Monday was discrimination on the basis of nationality.

Pence protested in the debate that his action was justified; “The FBI and homeland security said we can’t know for certain. You’ve got to err on the safety and security of the American people, Senator.”

To George Takei, the Japanese American “Star Trek” actor and LGBT activist, that logic sounded uncomfortably familiar, he tweeted on Wednesday:

Inevitably, some topics were left out of the debate. “Neither moderator Elaine Quijano nor Kaine brought up Pence’s support for Indiana’s Religious Freedom Restoration Act, which originally allowed discrimination against LGBT people on so-called religious grounds,” Raul Reyes observed on NBC News Latino. “LGBT rights is an issue that resonates with Latinos; a Public Religion Research Institute poll found that three-quarters of Hispanics support laws that protect LGBT people from discrimination. So here Kaine missed a shot at drawing another distinction between the two tickets. . . .”

Still, David Leonhardt, a columnist at the New York Times, found it noteworthy that concessions were made at all to people of color. That indicates how the nation is changing, he said.

I was really struck during this debate about how much, how much times have changed in this country,” (audio) Leonhardt said Wednesday on “The Diane Rehm Show,” which airs on NPR via WAMU-FM in Washington.

“And obviously, we still suffer from terrible problems of racism. But the fact that Tim Kaine didn’t go running last night when Pence made this argument, ‘How can you even talk about this being bias? It was an African American police officer who shot an African American man.’

“The fact that Kaine said, look, we need to be able to talk about unconscious bias, I don’t think we’d hear that in the 1980s in this country. And it was a reminder to me of how much less white the United States is than it used to be, and how that allows and even forces more honest, more productive conversations about race.

“Because when we were a country that was 80 percent white, politicians really had to play overwhelmingly to white people. And now they need to play to a much more diverse country, and deal with many more of the subtleties connected in this, and I thought it was fascinating.”

Libertarian Backed by More Papers Than Trump

Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump appears likely to garner fewer endorsements from newspaper editorial boards than any other major party nominee in modern history,” Reid Wilson reported Wednesday for the Hill.

“Among the nation’s 100 largest newspapers by paid circulation, not a single editorial board has sided with Trump.

“Even Libertarian Party nominee Gary Johnson has earned more support, a new tally shows.

“Through Monday, 20 of the nation’s largest newspapers had formally endorsed a candidate for president. Seventeen have backed Hillary Clinton, the Democratic nominee. Three support Johnson. And USA Today editorial writers, in a break with more than three decades of precedent, weighed in specifically against Trump. . . .”

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